Definitely drunk, possibly crazy?

[Andara Bledin]

Fixed that for you... Seriously, this sounds exactly like what happened to Illyan when his memory chip glitched.

Totally OT, but the next book is being written and she estimates a November release.

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[AccountingDrone]

Totally OT, but the next book is being written and she estimates a November release.

^-.-^

I will probably get the e-ARC like I did with Cryoburn.

Books don't normally make me cry, but those 3 little words at the end did. Damn it.

[Geek King]

As
I once had to deal with someone with a memory issue, though only for a night, and it had nothing to do with alcohol. My friend and dorm mate at college crashed his bike or got hit by car on his bike (don't remember all the details, just that it was a bike accident of some sort) and came back to the dorms a bit bloody and somewhat discombobulated. Being not only a nice guy, but also one of the few residents with a car at the time, I drove Dave to the hospital. And had the same conversation with him for HOURS. Including his occasional insight into his situation. "Jester, I think I may be having short term memory loss." "Yep, Dave, I think you are." This exchange, and many others, repeated over and over, on a seeming endless loop. But I stayed patient (as aggravating as it was) and remained calm, so as not to freak Dave out anymore than he already was by being in the hospital and not remembering anything. And lucky me, I got to be the person who called his parents back wherever he was from and apprise them of the situation.

This almost exactly describes the looping conversations I had with the friend who had the aneurysm in my living room. He's better now, but he still doesn't remember hitting on the ER nurse. Loudly.

[Sammy7s7]

Maybe you could ask him to write down that he already came in and asked about it and have him sign it. He might recognize his own handwriting and signature and make this process easier. There is probably nothing you can do to stop this cycle of him coming in and asking unless you start a new cycle somehow.

[Shalom]

Totally OT, but the next book is being written and she estimates a November release.

Ivan, His Booke... can't wait. I've been lurking on bujold-L since about 2002 or so, so I've heard about this. Ivan's one of my favorite characters.

I will probably get the e-ARC like I did with Cryoburn.

How do I get my hands on this?

Books don't normally make me cry, but those 3 little words at the end did. Damn it.

Well it had to happen eventually.

I haven't the text in front of me right now, but I seem to remember in one of the earlier books (tWA?) Aral himself saying that he dreaded hearing those words one day. (Or was it Miles, half asleep, and wondering why the armsman was addressing him as Lord Vorkosigan...)

Maybe you could ask him to write down that he already came in and asked about it and have him sign it. He might recognize his own handwriting and signature and make this process easier. There is probably nothing you can do to stop this cycle of him coming in and asking unless you start a new cycle somehow.

I had a patient once who called me four times over the course of one day, asking me how she should take her medicines. I would tell her: "Drug A first thing in the morning with a full glass of water, Drug B twice daily after breakfast and supper." She'd say, "Wait, let me go get a pen and write it down." She'd come back with the pen, and I'd repeat this verbatim. An hour later, she'd call again, not only forgetting how to take her medicine, but also not even remembering that she'd called in the first place. I'd tell her again, she said "Wait, let go get a pen and write it down." And I'd repeat it verbatim again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

The fourth time she called, I told her to take the paper that she was writing it down on and stick it on her refrigerator, so the fifth time I could just tell her "Go look at your refrigerator." Didn't help; the overnight guy told me the next morning that she'd called two more times, and he'd gone through the same routine as I had. Should have told her to stick it on her phone, so she'd see it before she called. I was wondering if she'd been singing crystal somewhere...

[AccountingDrone]

Ivan, His Booke... can't wait. I've been lurking on bujold-L since about 2002 or so, so I've heard about this. Ivan's one of my favorite characters.



How do I get my hands on this?



Well it had to happen eventually.

I haven't the text in front of me right now, but I seem to remember in one of the earlier books (tWA?) Aral himself saying that he dreaded hearing those words one day. (Or was it Miles, half asleep, and wondering why the armsman was addressing him as Lord Vorkosigan...)



I had a patient once who called me four times over the course of one day, asking me how she should take her medicines. I would tell her: "Drug A first thing in the morning with a full glass of water, Drug B twice daily after breakfast and supper." She'd say, "Wait, let me go get a pen and write it down." She'd come back with the pen, and I'd repeat this verbatim. An hour later, she'd call again, not only forgetting how to take her medicine, but also not even remembering that she'd called in the first place. I'd tell her again, she said "Wait, let go get a pen and write it down." And I'd repeat it verbatim again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

The fourth time she called, I told her to take the paper that she was writing it down on and stick it on her refrigerator, so the fifth time I could just tell her "Go look at your refrigerator." Didn't help; the overnight guy told me the next morning that she'd called two more times, and he'd gone through the same routine as I had. Should have told her to stick it on her phone, so she'd see it before she called. I was wondering if she'd been singing crystal somewhere...

I get the Advanced Readers Copies from Baen, I just prefer ebooks and then we get the hardback when it comes out for hubby =)

I know Miles has commented previously that he dreads hearing the three words, and that back in The Warriors Apprentice he found out his grand da was dead when the servant called him Lord Vorkosigan.

Luckily my mom has my brother taking care of her. He sets out her meds for her next to her chair for the morning batch, and gives her the evening ones when he gets home from work. Alzheimers sucks. I have that on one side of the family and Parkinsons on the other. I plan on offing myself if hubby predeceases me and I start with one or the other [or both] while I am still all here. I am not going to be a shaky veg in a home until I die - and my family are long lived on *both* sides. My dad died at 86 and my mom is currently 88.

I would have loved the option to be popped into a pod, being a ship would be wonderful, and I think I could make the transition just fine, beats my poor beat up body as it is and will be ... or perhaps a trip to Beta for some part replacement and tweaking. =)

[and onlist I am aruvqan]

[KiaKat]

But if they're intoxicated are you required to NOT sell liquor, or is that a company policy?
Frankly if they're THAT SHITFACED on a regular basis, I might call the cops. Especially if they're driving.
I'd had to do that a few times on my gas station days. I don't take to that behavior lightly. (this is why I'd never work in a bar)

Depends on where the OP works.

In my state, if the person appears intoxicated, we are required by law to tell them that we cannot sell them any liquor today.

If we see the customer get into or out of the driver's side of a vehicle, we're required to call the police and report it.

And actually, my boss encourages it. He expects us to be responsible, and follow the spirit, not just the letter of the law.

[Seshat]

I once had to deal with someone with a memory issue, though only for a night, and it had nothing to do with alcohol.

And had the same conversation with him for HOURS. Including his occasional insight into his situation. "Jester, I think I may be having short term memory loss." "Yep, Dave, I think you are." This exchange, and many others, repeated over and over, on a seeming endless loop.

One of A's symptoms can be this. (For those who came in late: A is my best friend/wife. She has schizoaffective disorder. Right now, she's wonderfully medicated and it's all under control! WHOOT!)

Over the years, D (my husband) and I have had many such conversations with A.

Heck, I get forgetful. The number of times D or A has to say 'you've already told me that'. (sigh). Fibrofog.

I was wondering if she'd been singing crystal somewhere...

Ballybran.

[PepperElf]

Just an update:
I've actually called the cops on his once before (and got in trouble for it too ) when he tried to come back the third time and almost crashed two cars in the parking lot when we refused him.

you got in trouble for reporting an unsafe drunk driver? that sounds illegal to me

[Seshat]

I would have loved the option to be popped into a pod, being a ship would be wonderful, and I think I could make the transition just fine, beats my poor beat up body as it is and will be ... or perhaps a trip to Beta for some part replacement and tweaking. =)

Tell me about it!

"The Ship Who Sang" and the other McCaffreys in that series are among my favourites.

[Jester]

Heck, I get forgetful. The number of times D or A has to say 'you've already told me that'.

I am notorious for my bad memory. Not just for carding people at my bar multiple times (not in the same day, but people who live here and have been there before, including at least one former coworker once), but just in life in general. One time I asked my best friend Neets if she had ever seen the movie "True Lies." She looked at me a moment, then said, "You idiot...I saw it in the theater with you."

[cinema guy]

My grandma was affected by short term memory loss after a stroke.

It was heart breaking and funny at the same time. She never recovered.

[Buglady]

Sounds like he has a memory problem...maybe from a stroke.

There is a specific form of memory loss that is VERY strongly associated with alcoholism: Korsakoff's Syndrome . It is actually caused by thiamine deficiency, but as it's alcohol that basically strips thiamine from the body and stops it being absorbed, it works out to almost the same thing.

People with Korsakoff's Syndrome are unable to process new information or form new memories. It's fascinating, if somewhat terrifying.

[Jester]

I'm wondering if I suffer from a mild form of that syndrome, as my memory is pretty much crap. I think it's gotten worse as I've gotten older, and we all know I drink; but then again, my mother has had a notoriously bad memory for as long as I've known her. Some of my stories about her sound as if she is getting old and senile, but the fact is, her mind is as sharp as it ever was, even at 76. It's just that her memory is bad, but it's always been bad. And unlike me, she doesn't drink, and never really has.

So, IS there a mild form of Korsakoff's Syndrome? And conversely, is possible to take a vitamin supplement of thiamine to counteract it (or to counteract bad memory in general)?

Just wondering.

[Andara Bledin]

Doorways. Some study found that going through doorways has an odd effect on memory. This is why you go to another room to get something, can't remember what you wanted when you get there, but as soon as you get back the room you started in, you remember again.

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