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  • I've HAD IT. (Seraph Snaps, long post)

    Snapped a little bit today.

    It's been, in general, a very bad day anyways. Can barely move after I overworked myself doing yardscaping yesterday, and the kid has been ornery as get out.

    So I get two SCs today, both of whom don't get past getting a price quote. First one is just the typical rude "it costs WHAT?!"followed by the "scammer!" "*itch!" and whatnot.

    The second guy though....I don't know why, but he triggered the snap.

    He was asking for a large, complicated order for his site, and told me he had a budget of $40. $40. No freaking way that would even cover anything REMOTELY similar to what he wants, and wouldn't even cover one of my premades. I explain that perhaps he might be best off looking elsewhere, sorry.

    He proceeds to go into a ragefest I haven't seen in about a week. He promptly insults my work, demands huge discounts, curses me out, and then hits me with the kicker:

    "You just won't lower your prices because you don't want to actually WORK. You're too lazy. I could get a better design off of fiverr."

    Oh, FUDGE NO.

    I promptly blocked him. I was, quite literally, shaking with rage. I don't know why, but that was IT.

    So, here's the other thing. The site owners have a little social group online that 95% of them are a member of. I decided this was the final straw, I'm going to just address this flat out.

    I spent the next twenty minutes writing and rewriting a letter to the site owners. I don't know if those two clients from today are in the group. Personally, I'm kinda hoping they are. I really don't care what they think, and I'm to the point that I just...I need to explain this to them.

    So....I posted this:

    Just because it's been One of Those Days, I want to really just get this off my chest:

    Hi, I own <my company>. And right off the bat, yes, I know my prices are high. There's a reasoning behind that, and I'm going to outline exactly why, and why its beneficial to you, the site owners.

    First off, my prices are the way they are due to the amount of time and the work that I put into them. Unlike some more recent “designers” that have come onto the scene, I don't use templates that I just recolor. Everything I design starts from a completely blank canvas in Photoshop, and then I build on from there. I usually invest, on average, ten hours in the more simple designs. High quality stuff ends up taking a LOT more. I really work hard at making a site to what my client envisions.

    Secondly, its the experience. I've worked on <industry> designs for about six years now. I've improved a lot, and I've learned various tricks and techniques that help bring in people to a website. I've learned about color psychology, which shapes are the most attractive to clicking, and usability techniques, just to name a few. I've studied on these things in my off time, so I can improve, and help make your sites BETTER.

    Thirdly, supply/demand, and to make sure I still have some semblance of a life. I get, on average, at least eight to ten orders a week. I'm only one person, and I have a family. If my prices were any lower, it'd increase, and I'd be unable to keep up with the demand, and then you'd all hear a rumbling in the earth, followed by a shriek, and then the sky would go dark. Okay, well maybe not that, but you get my drift.

    The benefits of this, though?

    Your site is custom, and is what you envisioned. When a site owner loves their design, it shows through in their business. They are happy, and they work more productively, and in general, things are better.

    Its a filter of sorts. If a site has the money to purchase a custom design from me, it generally means they actually have the funds to work at their business. I say generally, because of course, this isn't always true, but it's usually a very good sign.

    Remember I mentioned that experience? On average, I've heard back from my clients that their traffic at least DOUBLES after a design. It honestly makes me happy to hear back from someone how their site was doing so terribly, but now everyone's signing up like crazy.

    Its an INVESTMENT. Not a frivolous expense. Not a scam. Its an investment into improving your business. You're just about guaranteed to make back your money and waaaay more then some after you purchase a site design.

    So yes, I do charge a lot, and I hope that this clears up some of the veil of the mystery of why I do so.

    Tldr; I charge so much because I have housecarls to feed. (Skyrim joke, LOL!)
    The replies already are pretty much flying in, and I'm barely able to type up this post in between replying to IMs from the owners. I know, I probably shouldn't have done this, but....I just couldn't take it anymore. I don't know why.

    So far, replies are fairly nice, couple are like "Well, lower your prices just a little." But in general, mostly support, thankfully. Just waiting until the others log on, because if I know these people, the phone/email tree's already at full blast.
    Last edited by Seraph; 04-18-2012, 04:39 PM.
    By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

    "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

  • #2
    A lot of times in life you get what you pay for. And even though I'm not in your business, I can confirm what you say. What drives my spending is price, but no matter how good the deals, if I have a lot of trouble navigating a website, I will be annoyed and buy from somewhere else. I need to be able to go in and find that one item I need, and quickly. The site needs to be set up in a way that helps me in that endeavor. And yes, colors do matter. Some sites are garish enough that I just can't deal.
    "Is it hot in here to you? It's very warm, isn't it?"--Nero, probably

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    • #3
      You'll get no argument form me, Seraph. You're not going to get Brooks Brothers quality from WalMart, no matter how much you want to. Insulting the artist/craftsperson/professional that can make/do what you want is the fastest way to not getting anything like what you want.


      It's a shame too few people realize this.
      "If your day is filled with firefighting, you need to start taking the matches away from the toddlers…” - HM

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      • #4
        Growing up in a flower shop we have had similar rants about pricing, esp at valentines.... trust me when I say that a flower shop makes a larger profit in the summer (when prices are lower) than at V-Day.....
        I am well versed in the "gentle" art of verbal self-defense

        Once is an accident; Twice is coincidence; Thrice is a pattern.

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        • #5
          That has got to be the most polite rant I've ever read.

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          • #6
            "How can my prices be too high if my sales are doing well?"

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            • #7
              ^ I agree with this!

              Sorry you have to deal with the cheap idiots. I don't know anyone in their right mind would expect to get even a template for $40.

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              • #8
                It is just like the company tat my Hubby works for. They have products geared for the home owner but at commercial grade (26 gage instead of 29 gage) Some are expecting the commercial for the home owner price.
                "Of all the liars in the world, sometimes the worst are your own fears." – Rudyard Kipling

                I don't have hot flashes. I have short, private vacations to the tropics.

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                • #9
                  I understand TOTALLY.

                  I'm nearly constantly on the hunt for people to buy commissions of whatever insane fan art I've decided I have to have this time, and I finally found one girl that's friendly and has a style I dig and her prices aren't ri-fucking-diculous. Now my dad would absolutely boggle at me if he found out I paid someone $8 for a drawing of a video game character, but you know, when there's something I really want, and there's someone who can give it to me, I'm willing to pay for it. If it were really so easy, I could do it myself, but I can't, ergo, it must not be that easy.

                  And I didn't for a second think to ask this girl for a discount, because I imagine she probably knows what it takes, how much time she spends, what materials, etc., etc., and I haven't a clue. (Though she OFFERED me a discount since she and I are both fans of the game, but that's different than demanding one.)

                  So, yeah, I can understand the rant. It'd be like me going to this chick and going "Yeah, I want that full-color with a background and four characters in it, but I'll only spend five bucks." It...it would be STUPID.
                  Last edited by MystyGlyttyr; 04-18-2012, 07:28 PM.
                  "Maybe the problem just went away...maybe it was the magical sniper fairy that comes and gives silenced hollow point rounds to people who don't eat their vegetables."

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                  • #10
                    Seraph:

                    "I have had it with these mothering clients in this mothering business!" ?

                    // re: MystyGlyttyr's current User Title: There is no such thing as too much metal. Or even enough metal, really.
                    Long days, short nights, a bottle of NOS makes it all right.

                    Canadians Unite !

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                    • #11
                      Quoth taurinejunkie View Post
                      // re: MystyGlyttyr's current User Title: There is no such thing as too much metal. Or even enough metal, really.
                      // Much like dakka, there is never enuf metal!
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                      • #12
                        Wonder if any of these SC's realize how illogical they are when they backtrack that route..

                        i.e. - OHMYGOD YOUR STUFF IS REALLY AMAZING!!!! GIMMIE! GIMMIE! GIMMIE!
                        - Sure, for $X
                        - WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT??? YOUR STUFF SUCKS! WHY WOULD I PAY THAT MUCH FOR IT????

                        - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

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                        • #13
                          He was asking for a large, complicated order for his site, and told me he had a budget of $40. $40. No freaking way that would even cover anything REMOTELY similar to what he wants, and wouldn't even cover one of my premades. I explain that perhaps he might be best off looking elsewhere, sorry.

                          This sounds suspiciously like that guy who was trying to get you to do a big fancy web game for only $100.
                          "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

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                          • #14
                            Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
                            This sounds suspiciously like that guy who was trying to get you to do a big fancy web game for only $100.
                            Would it be worse if I said I have similar people on an almost daily basis?
                            By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

                            "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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                            • #15
                              I remember posts from Kanalah about SCs complaining that her prices for the quilts she made were too high. They're works of art and may cost a lot, but for the amount of work that went into them, are totally worth it.

                              I'd say the same applies to the websites you work on.
                              "Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid" Redd Foxx as Al Royal - The Royal Family - Pilot Episode - 1991.

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