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  • Car salesman are dishonest!! [Long]

    Surprise, Surprise!!

    Preface: Yes, I'm a car salesman. I know that due to the actions of others, we've gotten the reputation of perhaps one of the lowest forms of scum on the planet. However, we're not all as bad as we're cracked up to be.

    Around September '06, this ordeal went down:

    A fellow employee of mine, we'll call him "A-Rod" has an appointment for a customer who is coming in to lease a vehicle. Now, today is A-Rod's day off, so he calls me and gives me a heads up on what's going on.

    Customer comes in, nice kid, about 23-24 years old, college kid. Anyways, he's really psyched about the car, read online about it and all, we test drive it, he loves it. Good.

    Now, we get inside, he tells me that he had told A-Rod over the phone he could only afford $299 a month on a 2 year lease. My fellow salesman tells him of course we can do it, come on in.

    [Now let me pause for a second here. Some people may think of this as misleading a customer. I think of it as giving us an oppourtunity to make a sale. It's not lying if you don't tell them the whole truth. Being honest and telling people I can't sell them a car for what they want does not feed my family.]

    Anyways, I collect the necessary information, copy of license, personal info (name, phone number, address, etc) and take it to the sales desk. We find out that the vehicle he wanted does not have a lease program any more. We called the company headquarters, and yes, that vehicle does not have a lease program any more.

    I tell the guy this. Obviously he's not too happy, but hey, that's how it goes. I try to suggest maybe another vehicle, but that would be out of his price range, and he leaves disappointed.

    A few days later, I receive from my general manager this essay that was apparantly written to the CEO of the company. (I'm talking one of the Big 3, err Big 2)

    An 8-page essay titled "Why I'll Never Look at a ******* Again"

    A few snippets:

    This is how it starts: "As a graduate student, the purchasing of a brand new vehicle is a great first step towards adulthood and self-management. The choice of a vehicle, as much as it is about budget, it also about ones' personality...."

    Blah blah..

    "Once at ISellCars' desk, I filled out form after form [LIE], supplied ISellCars with a copy of my driver's license and then was told to wait a few minutes to him to go finalize the paperwork. So I waited, and waited. Then I waited some more. It started to hurt, not only because I was sitting in an uncomfortable chair with no reading material, but also because I had to endure the tunes of Lionel Richie's "Hello" along with more outdated hits from the 70's. Maybe I made the wrong choice? Perhaps this is where my grandparents would go to get a car? Was the {model} not "cool enough"? A good forty-five minues had passed [LIE] since ISellCars had gone for "a few minutes", until he finally returned."

    "I cancelled two of my classes. I drove 35 miles [LIE], spent another $15 on gas, added more miles to my current leased vehicle and you tell me there is no lease program for the {model} but that I am welcome to that the {other model} for double the amount I am able to afford?"

    "Oh my way home, amidst the snarling suburban traffic of Miami [this guy writes too many essays], I reflected back on my wasted afternoon at the dealer. I also became concerned with the fact that {DEALER} has a copy of my driver's license, along with a thoroughly filled out form containing my personal information." [Name, Address, and Phone Number. That's it. I'm stealing your identity!!! ]

    "Next month when my lease ends, I'll be back at my [shitty] dealer. I have to pick out a new vehicle"


    I'm tired of typing. Anyways, I know this story isn't as great as others, and I'm sorry it's so damn long.... but this really pissed me off. I try my hardest to provide not only great vehicles, but great service to people. I know I might not be the most honest person in the world, but if you heard some of the crap these "customers" gave us, you'd lose all faith in the human race. I have hundreds of very satisfied customers who have never been treated so well in purchasing a car that will back me up in an instance.

    And to top it all off, this guy claimed that "with school and work, the ONLY time I had available was THAT Friday afternoon", yet he spent all weekend typing up an 8 page essay about why he got his feelings hurt.

    Luckily my GM was there that day and thought it was funny he sent the letter. Never heard anything since.

  • #2
    "Then I waited some more. It started to hurt, not only because I was sitting in an uncomfortable chair with no reading material"

    Poor wittle baby Do you want some cheese with your whine?

    "I try my hardest to provide not only great vehicles, but great service to people. I know I might not be the most honest person in the world, but if you heard some of the crap these "customers" gave us, you'd lose all faith in the human race. I have hundreds of very satisfied customers who have never been treated so well in purchasing a car that will back me up in an instance."

    In my current job I deal a lot with car owners. They lie. All the time. What really confuses me is the fact that we have a way to verify what they say so how in the world do they think they can get away with it?
    My formula for living is quite simple. I get up in the morning and I go to bed at night. In between, I occupy myself as best I can.---Cary Grant

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    • #3
      personally I don't believe "all car salesmen are evil", some are some aren't. I got the joy of dealing with both when hubby went car shopping(two dealerships across the street from each other)shortened version of the two

      dealership the first-
      found car online 7 yr old ford escort, 75,000 miles, @ $9,000(filled out prelim info-received call w/n 10 min to come out and speak with someone), went to look, filled out paperwork, waited 3 hours, were told bank closed, went home and looked up blue book value of desired car-dealership was overcharging by about 4 grand-dealer would not negotiate despite the "all prices negotiable" sign in every car(we asked them to drop price $500 as it was priced way over blue book and their lender would not finance it totally. car dealer kept calling and harassing us for two weeks!

      dealership the second-(two weeks later)
      had secured financing ourselves up to $15,000 at 19% interest, went in to look around, had the sales manager come out and greet us within 5 minutes(dlrshp 1 had us wait for 20 minutes, AFTER they had called us to come in). We explained that we had financing and the lender had certain criterion to be met-saleslady said she was positive she could get us a better interest rate, and that hubby being a college student and first time car buyer should not have to pay that much interest. found nice car marked at $13,998(below blue book for that car 6 month old Nissan with 28,000 miles), dealership ran credit in 10 minutes, 12% interest, not bad but asked for permission to run again through different lender as he was sure he could get better, 15 minutes later we signed the preliminary paperwork to "close the sale" on monday when our co-signer would be available-final price on car $12,000 with a nice 9.14% interest rate.

      guess which dealership I'm steering people away from and which one I highly recommend-especially since the first one "claims" to be great for buyers with little or less than perfect credit-my husband has no credit whatsoever-mine is shot.
      Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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      • #4
        Yeah, a sniveling 8-page essay to the CEO of a car company because he's disappointed they discontinued the lease program. That'll fix their wagon.

        I hope that essay got the MST3K treatment, both at the company and at your dealership.
        Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

        "I never said I wasn't a horrible person."--Me, almost daily

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        • #5
          We've been known to post letters such as that one on our employee break room wall. So we all can mock it. Personally, I'd like to put them out in the lobby for all of world to see....complete with our sarcastic comments written in.
          Oh, "Blah blah blah 'Your Needs'!"

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          • #6
            Ooohh, he claimed (falsely) to have waited a mere 45 minutes? Big farking deal, I waited a grand total of 6 hours when I bought my car (note, I refuse to lease.) Reason: short-staffed and 2 families were ahead of me. They didn't have the car I was originally looking at but I got a deal on another model at the other lot they owned. Treated me really good, kept checking on me (I was sitting outside, it was summer AND in Texas)

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            • #7
              Quoth ISellCars View Post
              Surprise, Surprise!!
              And to top it all off, this guy claimed that "with school and work, the ONLY time I had available was THAT Friday afternoon", yet he spent all weekend typing up an 8 page essay about why he got his feelings hurt.
              This guy was unequivocably a jerk, and his graduate-student-y naiveness about how all of life's problems can be solved with canned, formulaic essays is charmingly pathetic, but I want to comment on this one thing.

              By the time I finished taking just a couple of graduate-level english lit courses, I could bang out researched essays much longer than eight pages in a weekend. For a bona fide graduate student to write what essentially amounts to an eight page opinion piece isn't an all weekend endeavor. In fact, it's doubtful that it's even an all hour endeavor. He may have very well composed the essay outline, thesis statement, and even roughed out the paragraphs on his way home and had it written and proofed twenty minutes later.

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              • #8
                I don't believe all "salesmen are evil." It depends on the buyers too. I got a beautiful 2006 dodge ram 1500 quad cab for a great price and the dealer was excellent!

                That guy was being a big baby and really needs to grow up.

                Now, as to the "lying" part. Everybody bends the truth. We all lie to the customer.
                For example:
                How are you doing today?

                Would we really answer: Crappy. Mad. I want to go home.

                No, we smile and say great. That's what you're doing. There isn't anything wrong with bending the truth to shelter the customers. If I said half the crap I've wanted to say, I guarantee I'd be fired.

                Eight pages. That's quite disturbing.
                Last edited by Anakah; 01-21-2007, 11:23 AM. Reason: I accidentally hit post before I finished what I wanted to say.

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                • #9
                  You know what would be a great addition to this story? If the non-customer came on here and posted his version in "Sightings".
                  Unseen but seeing
                  oh dear, now they're masquerading as sane-KiaKat
                  There isn't enough interpretive dance in the workplace these days-Irv
                  3rd shift needs love, too
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                  • #10
                    Quoth BeckySunshine View Post
                    You know what would be a great addition to this story? If the non-customer came on here and posted his version in "Sightings".
                    I don't think it would fit. Not in one post anyway.

                    But I gotta take a stab here; English Major?
                    I AM the evil bastard!
                    A+ Certified IT Technician

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                    • #11
                      I agree with Anakah. Selling and buying of anything is a game. Some people play better than others, and some salesmen are better than others.
                      My formula for living is quite simple. I get up in the morning and I go to bed at night. In between, I occupy myself as best I can.---Cary Grant

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                      • #12
                        Quoth ISellCars View Post
                        Now, we get inside, he tells me that he had told A-Rod over the phone he could only afford $299 a month on a 2 year lease. My fellow salesman tells him of course we can do it, come on in.

                        [Now let me pause for a second here. Some people may think of this as misleading a customer. I think of it as giving us an oppourtunity to make a sale. It's not lying if you don't tell them the whole truth. Being honest and telling people I can't sell them a car for what they want does not feed my family.]
                        Sorry, but you lost me right there. I figure if a salesman didn't tell me the truth right at the start, I'm not going to believe anything that follows. The transaction is terminated at that moment.
                        I was neat, clean, shaved and sober, and I didn't care who knew it. -- Raymond Chandler

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                        • #13
                          I also don't think all car salesmen are dishonest, but there are more than a few that use some pretty cheap tactics.

                          Years ago, my grandfather was looking for a truck, so he came down to our place, because we've got a huge concentration of dealerships all in close proximity.
                          Without fail, the first question they ask is "So, you in from out of town?" Because their big thing is trying to pull business away from nearby cities.
                          I forget how, but we managed to avoid answering the question at one dealer. This happened to be the one my grandfather found the truck he wanted. Everything was going fine, they got to the filling out the paperwork portion, found out he was from "out of town", the guy got up, walked out for a couple minutes, came back, and knocked the price down.
                          Sounds good, no?
                          What I took from that though, is that if we hadn't been from out of town, the price would have been a chunk of change higher.

                          On the flip side, my parents got an amazing deal on a minivan there a year ago, so even within the dealership, things change.
                          Ba'al: I'm a god. Gods are all-knowing.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth TNT View Post
                            Sorry, but you lost me right there. I figure if a salesman didn't tell me the truth right at the start, I'm not going to believe anything that follows. The transaction is terminated at that moment.
                            Difference being, you wouldn't go as far to right an eight page essay about it would you?

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                            • #15
                              Quoth kibbles View Post
                              Difference being, you wouldn't go as far to right an eight page essay about it would you?
                              I can't really quibble with that, either: it takes me more than eight pages just to say "Good morning." You guessed it... English major.
                              I was neat, clean, shaved and sober, and I didn't care who knew it. -- Raymond Chandler

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